"morning joe"? just a bit. >> that does it for us on this friday morning. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside geoff bennett. "morning joe" starts right now. how much are you worth right now as you're sitting right here? >> zero idea, david. it depends on what's happening with the world and the market. >> let's get back to the assessment of your wealth for ament. >> if you had to liquidate, if you just decided i'm going somewhere else, i'm going to live in a trailer and you wanted to sell off everything, how big would that check be that you put in your pocket when you headed west for the trailer? >> i hate to disappoint. i have no idea. how come this seat is so low? he has this stage rigged. i'm not going to give you a

figure. >> you're never going to get it out of me. >> i don't know why you're being so goofy. >> "people" says it? i would have to believe it if "people" says it. >> for donald trump, the direction was going down. that's according to the "new york times" analysis of trump's taxes, which documented a decade where trump touted his "art of the deal," all the while he lost over a billion dollars. and, by the way, that's not an accomplishment. that's like bad! good morning and welcome to "morning joe. it is friday, may 10th. along with joe, willie and me -- he was not here a half a second ago. oh, yeah, this was not pretty. this was a courough start. >> willie and i have been here flew 4:15, going through the papers, going through the dogs.

we know which dogs to bet on this weekend. >> we have a very big day ahead. >> yes. >> you a know what? a lot of people can just wing it. >> not you. >> but you do my psychological mackup, will make-up, willie, too meticulous. >> what were you saying? >> you still pore through those world books and the encyclopedia every morning? >> yes. you know that war map, pacing back and forth. >> she's writing stuff down and getting ready for her -- that's how i do it, right? except it's a couple hours longer than that.

>> fix yourself up. >> we've got john heilemann. washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay. the host of "saturday night politics" donny deutsch. >> not since "saturday night live" has a show been so dominant on a saturday night. >> not since howard cosell's saturday night. >> we can work on it, donny. anyhow. >> so you're sort of a pop culture guy. can you tell me who debuted on the first howard cosell saturday night? >> man, i can't. i'm embarrassed i can't. no credentials i once had as a pop culture guy are now ruin. who was? >> bay city rollers. >> how much tartan was involved?

>> and howard was des. ly trying to be the new ed sullivan, get the bay city rollers with "saturday night." they were all wearing kilt skirts and all talked like groundskeeper willie. it just didn't work. >> it was not the beatles on ed sullivan snp. >> but i liked it, though. i'm sorry. >> how many songs did they play? "saturday night" and what? >> i forget. >> let's look this up. >> anybody buy anything from china overnight? my book perhaps. it's not from china. >> some of the greatest liner notes ever, by the way, because we're going to try to talk for 12 minutes before we talk about politics. i'm joking, phil. some of the greatest liner notes ever. i think it was ''75, '76, the beatles rereleased "live at the hollywood bowl," an extraordinary album. it was the first time a new

generation of kids heard how crazy those concerts were. on the liner notes george martin wrote -- talked about nobody today can believe how big the beatles were in their time. he said my daughter found out after she fond out that i did what i did with the beatles, she asked me were they as big as the bay city rollers, dad? and george being the good father said, "probably not, dear, probably not." >> that's nice. that's nice. >> '75. so the band had been bron up for just five years. it's ancient history. no one can remember what the beatles were just five years ago. >> new overnight at 12:01 this morning, the tariff rate on $200 billion worth of chinese goods was raised from 10% to 25%. >> wow. >> china's commerce ministry said says will retaliate with,

quote, necessary konter measures. the hikes come in the middle round of trade talks which began in washington and are set to continue today. >> katty, what's the impact? >> the impact on american consumers, they're already seeing it. if you want to buy a dishwasher, it $100 more expensive because of these tariffs. so add the fact that we've gone from 100 billion worth of good to 250 billion worth of goods, of time there a's a heek in tariffs, see a tax. the president said it the chinese paying for these tariffs. that's not the case. it's american consumers and american farmers because the chinese retaliate with taxes on american farmers, soy bean prices falling through the floor and then the government pays them money in order to keep them happy, which is also effectively

a tax on the americans. >> this is the equivalent of owning the libs by buying like $100 worth of sushi and having the owner say ing ing is it's sf shooting yourself in the foot. >> i think i got that. >> he's giving them $100, they insult him and then he throws it away. he's out $100. they don't care. >> the main thing about that story is it's no good for anybody. that's the same with the tariffs, no good for anybody. >>here you're going to have people cheering in the audiences going, yeah, we're tough! usa! >> as everything that they buy in walmart, everything they buy in target, everything they buy everybody where goes up. it's actually not hurting the chinese. it's hurting you, the consumer.

>> there would be a grand irony if the one thing that trump has had -- really has going for him, heing into relebs, which is as we all ak naj a strong all he had to do was just stay if he man pajed to screw up the one really strong card in his hand heading into 2020. >> there are a lot of people who are genuinely critics of donald trump's who do agree that mrk not just american experiences also is the policy going to produce the results he wants or does it get the chinese to walk away from the table, which is what we've just seen this week? >> and there's not in a many pop who think the right way to handle the chinese is to slap.

>> conservatives, republicans of course used to be against tariffs. some still are. it interesting. but the biggest problem is, mika, your father knew this better than anybody, when you deal with the chinese, you can't be a day trader. >> no. >> we always tell the funny story about, you know, the dinner at your house with opening the china, but that took years. it took sy vance going there. and your dad had to go in and make it happen. it took a long time here. you can't day trade against the chinese. they think in terms of decades, in terms of centuries. donald trump will the rally thinks in terms of minutes. >> bernie sanders won the 2016

new hampshire primary with 60% of the vote, but a new poll from monmouth university shows former vice president joe biden doubles sanders' support in his neighboring state. biden takes 36% to to 18% with pete budget budget at 9:hearsay clocks in at 6% followed by in a three-way tie for sixth place with 2%. what do you think of those numbers? >> leave that up for just a minute. think about if you're somebody other than joe biden or best at this point. buttigieg is up with the contenders in the second tier. but joe biden isn't just winning the idea of a referendum.

new hampshire 18 point, iowa 0 points, south carolina, massive leads for joe biden. we'll still late again, long way to go before it won't be a close second or third,s who can beat trump. there's so much discussion of left brain issues bush what's going to trump everything is how do we get this guy out of office? you get, four, five times the media, which almost becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. i think what cory book are did, staking prn i think he also has

what i call the trump benefit is people wanted trump so badly they were willing to let things slide off of him. so all the things going to to stick to joe, i think people are going to let a lot of the left brain stuff going and dismiss it because they want it so bad. >> john, you've covered these things really closely. you look at all of these candidates. if you're sitting there 20 points ahead in the early states, 20 points ahead in the national polls, you've got a field of 20, are you really going to be the one at 4% that decides you're going to go out in a flame of glory attacking joe biden with nasty 30-second autds? joe biden's peggest challenge is joe biden, if he stays on

script, stays disciplined and continues to do the things he's been doing over the past couple weeks. it's going. yeah, we'll say it, it's going to be difficult to catch a guy with a 20-point lead. he's got to give the rest of the field help. >> look, i don't man to be the contrarian at the table. if biden performs well, doesn't make his takes. in 2008 barack obama was behind hillary clinton in of poll, state polls, nas polls, by more than this later in the race. she was ahead by 30 points nationally around labor day. so i think one of the issues is for a lot of these candidates in that there's eight right now, the one, we showed above 1%. for a lot of those candidates and most democratic voters do not know who they are. joe biden and bernie sanders are the two people who every democratic prime rip vote nomination contest voter knows. those two.

it not surprising they would be this far ahead. there's no doubt, as donny says, that people look at biden and say that's the guy that can take on trump. if that's the on thing they care about but certainly can you envision the person standing next to donald trump? they've not seen people buttigieg, beto o'rourke, kamala harris on a debate stage in action yet. >> well, they're going to see them on debate stage with 20 other people. >> of that the kaes in 2008, too. again, barack obama is a different character. i'm just going to say there's no doubt there's a lot of debates and a lot of miles. most of these candidates not known they can't tell you anything about amy wloeb.

they're going. >> oh, i didn't know who this guy was, i really like him, right? how many million people saw amy klobuchar during the cavanaugh hearings? how many people saw cory book are? how many people know who elizabeth warren is. if you're voting in a democratic primary, chances are really good i think maybe some people don't exactly know who meek el benn i. mayor pete came out of nowhere and has a lot of excitement behind him. i just think this year it going to be very difficult. what has cam la harris done since his announcement? what's beto been doing? >> rchlts well, commonwealth la has been in hearings. >>. >> dean: but but my minute is

this. they get attention because not on are they competing with the top two or three democratic candidates, they're competing with the noise of donald trump of day. and that is a lot of noise. it's hard to break through that. >> i agree the democrats have been so focused on taking back the white house, they have been paying attention. they do know who these candidates are and they did watch the calf hearings and they did see them performing. joe biden got some criticism for he's won it on being the go kp i'm the guy that can beat trump. that's what i can do for you. think that strategy, where's the

policy, what are you going to do? his strategy is right nor him at the moment. >> you know, donny, i always said in 2008 that the obama cam pan marketed barack obama like, you know, a big coke or pepsi, which it not an insult because joe kennedy said we're going to sell you like why are so. and that is -- that's what all of this branding's about. this just is i own dove soap, right? mika owns irish spring, and then there are 18 new soaps out there and we've got all the money and the more money we have, the more

of a market share we have, the more wall street invests in us. you don't think money's not pouring into joe biden's kofs right now. >> hmm. >> how going to -- >> exactly. >> that analogy went off the tracks. >> you name whatever -- deep side and you're going to start making soap, in for the lee the top so has such app -- this is a so that has come on and said we are going to clean up the climate. this is a so that -- something you're so concerned about that this so has the ability to do something that the or soaps haven't. so the more your new so takes a shot at that so where i want this to happen so badly, don't knock this other so. this is not about biden.

there is such an emotional need to tack trump out of office that it so supersedes everything else. the other thing as far as the money for biden, the democrat money's biggest fear is a bernie sanders. so basically it's a lot of -- >> can i say this, too, donnie, when you're sitting within employment before lee 4%, the economy is stronger that it's opinion in a very this. or thing the democrats are going to be smart, if you like under certain major statistics, it is not good for large part this to your point the socialism war

will get trump re-elected period. >> donnie clearly is the axe body spray of sos. which is to -- you brought up dove. dove has always been in my hour. since i can remember i use dove. >> we don't need to hear about your personal life. >> you have this stupefied look on your face. >> go ahead. >> mika mass s sp ic and span and brillo. i don't know. >> willie. >> let's get to exclusive reporting from nbc. new details's what's described as an unusual meeting between bolton. nbc news has learned that boaton fwared cia director gina haas

welfare reform, chairman of the jont chief of staff joe dunford, mike momio and dan croates for a 7 a.m. meeting at headquarters. nash meeting at theically nltd nld in officials or rab at the time members to attend why was this so significant and what exactly were they talking about over at cia headquarters? >> well, we know that it was significant because this is just not how these meetings are typically held. usually they happen, as you mentioned, in the situation room in, the white house. there's a secure meeting room. they can review all sorts of very classified, highly sensitive materials there. so it raised some high brows because it was held at cia

headquarters in langley, virginia and this happened on april 29th early in the morning. and it was led by national security adviser john bolton. and i think that -- you can't sort of underestimate him overseeing this meeting has gotten people's attention because offiously he is an iran hawk and he has advocated in the past regime change in ran. we're told it did not have anything to do with the intelligence that led to a couple daes later the decision to move the carrier into the persian gulf that iran wassing if and the reason it could attack american military members in the region. but flrp two sort of reasons why for some former officials told thus might happen and one is that sometimes when the cia wants to brief on a covert operation, this will do or

something that they're waiting for some sort of new authorization for. the other reason is there could be a disagreement on intelligence. former vice president dick cheney used to go to cnn headquarters so a. >> was there concerned about what was discussed ensood that meeting? >> the concerns are more about what's the path here, what's the end game or is this sort of another steb towards a national security but the flip side is

there's growing concern that this is a white house on a march to some sort of military confrontation with iran and that brins a whole ho brings a whole host of other problems and this could be nor piece of whatever case they may want to make to thatnd. >> unof the people in the room was acting defense exact pat be trk though he will be nominated his first choice. >> he wound up turning some of

shanahan critics, thises saying you can't have an acting titlend just in fact he felt shanahan doesn't act the part of defense secretary, he doesn't have a very strong presence in person prn and more importantly on television. he wassin sure but maybe didn't want to pull him out because he was already there. in had been weeks and he decided togo with it yesterday. >> still ahead on "monday of rudy giuliani, we're not meddling in an investigation, woor mud.

>> he does say the quiet part. >> it unbelievable! >> we're not obstructing traffic, we're obstructing justice! >> geez, it's not even 4:00 yet. his upcoming trip to ukraine -- >> do we know, that was quote after 6:00? >> no one knows. >> it always. >> dean: as giuliani tells the mosht, there's nothing illegal about it. some could say it's improper. you're watching "morning joe." >> it's more like 6:45. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ discover.

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>> meek el pollen wrote a book about this. >> about psychedelics. >> john hopkins came out in 2006 that talks about people with cancer. >> therapeutic effects. >> people facing cancer, facing possibility of death actually, this has an extraordinarily positive impact on many of them. >> a load of money is going into it now. >> willie, why don't you take this story, it's right there. right here. >> let's lock in. >> right there. read it. >> one of the key figures at the center of responsible robert mueller's investigation recently sat down with nbc news for an exclusive interview. o'leg deripaska, with close ties to the kremlin was joining us live from london, nbc news

senior international correspondent kier simmons. what have we learned? >> what i think you'll find has pivoted so much to ak saegss of obstruction. when i read the mueller report, i read a fascinating inside into the way russia works and a whole bunch including oleg deripaska. he is name is in the report many about the cam pan. he denies that but what he says is that the request that was made by the special counsel was so broad, he calls it a fishing expedition that it was. >> it's a long list of companies which they tried to get

information off and just for your understanding, hooves asked about nrs and season it's a huge, three maybe four huge trucks first it was a company that i never met. it was a stupid request, just railroad nick owe shea and contact with trump's is advisers team. >> stupid questions but another aspect of this conversation that was really fascinating is this in, was a that interesting account tacking about 350

russian men when i try to talk to him about his relationship with president putin and how he has to navigate that. there at least some of the responsibility for the sanctions lies shortly. >> to really below now i am position to debate this? i'm sorry. >> what was the last time you spoke to president putin? >> more it and a year ago. >> how often did you speak to him at that time? >> not as often as you can imagine. give move any benefits, not just ten, no 20, one bit fit i had, or my company have during with 19 years he is in power. >> he's now suing the u.s. over those sanctions.

but one of the arguments he tries to make, guys, is that he issing put out of business and he's one of a number of private businessmen in russia and increasingly it's run by the state. >> keir, let me ask you another important question, no topic about your hometown. how crazy is london going, football fans going over the fact that you have an all-english final champions league between liverpool and t tottenham and an all english europa league between chelsea and -- if you're a london er

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donald trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani is heading abroad to push investigations that he hopes will benefit the president's reelection by undermining the d.o.j.'s successful prosecution of paul manafort and going after joe biden. "the new york times" reports that giuliani plans to travel to ukraine shortly to meet with that country's president-elect to, quote, urge him to pursue inquiries that allies of the white house contend could yield new information about two matters of intense interest to mr. trump.

one is the origin of the special counsel's investigation into russia's interference in the 2016 election. the other is the involvement of former vice president joe biden's son in a gas company owned by a ukrainian oligarch. >> the timeline doesn't match there. it's a ridiculous -- it's a ridiculous argument. >> the president's personal lawyer told the paper, quote, we're not meddling in an election, we're meddling in an investigation. >> let's just stop right there. i don't want to hear anymore about this temperature. >> has always had no respect for constitutional norms. >> he plays very dirty. that's what i talked to jill biden about. >> but the pace is quickening and you're starting to see things. for instance, the attorney general commits merges ry nobod

trump world lifts an eyebrow, no republicans care. a week later he's joking about it in front of a, all of these conservative writers are now all going in to william barr. just want to let you guys now -- i don't know, maybe you've known him for a long time. doesn't matter. you're defending the most corrupt attorney general, i mean, since john mitchell. like it's bad. the article is going to look extraordinarily stupid and you're going to look like -- well, the sycophant. it's really embarrassing. i hope you'll protect yourself from that. you rool the sycophant. but just to get, john, back to the quickening paz of this, we

had drp in saying i believe the e ex-k. >> director, frasching america's military and their intel community as well. now you have the going to another country the united states's justice department. he said that. most of whom that have been working in america's justice department that rudy is going to, in his words, undermine, appointed by donald trump. this is madness and, why, there as you had rudy giuliani a

couple weeks ago coming out and saying what we've now learned from the mueller report is that there's no problem accepting dirt, stolen material from a foreign country in a campaign essentially as long as it ut i. >> to follow up on that, and denying it ever took place. >> for them the lesson of the mueller report is to do something the people people found totally acceptable. tlp lesson is if we announce

ifwhatever you want to call it, seeking the aid of foreign adversaries to undermine political opponent, it okay, so long as we do it out about republicans rallying in, falling in for donald trump, gets the a so-called rabs by supporters of are you doing this to the jump family? you have he is now being held up and a$ and it's having

interesting that she spoke tofrb he's been conservative. he's been a loyal republican. he's been, you know, a littleam f buckley concerned, been a -- what can you say before donald trump? but, donny, they've just completely thrown their brand out window. they're big spenders. i mean, biggest spending squad of republicans. they're big-government republicans. they've just trashed the rule of law. they don't care about it. the very standards they held blnt to they've completely forgotten now. er that excusing perjury by the attorney general of the ups of america. they are supporting tariffs, they are shutting down immigration. they're doing everything,

everything that ronald reagan opposed, including kowtowing to an ex-k.g.b. agent. it's just madness. >> counting the amount of laws trump has even broken or bending laws. what is the tipping point for voters? how do the democrats wrap that into something? and i think it's none of the specific legal issues, it trump and wealthy people are part of a rigged system that have two sets of law. >> i think we're there. i'm in the minority here. i think people -- i know there was one poll out this weekend, it's an outlier, donald trump is a 40% president at best. sometimes he's a 43, sometimes at 37. i said it leading up to the 2818 commonwealth pan. that manse 60% of americans

don't like him, democrats are going to do welfare reform. it's the same thing in '20. he's a 40% president. again,ly say because very few people in the media picked it up in 2016, now they think he has magic voodoo powers and that he can do anything even trump himself told me the election could have been held on ten days. probably would have lost nine of those ten days. it was just that one day after the comey letter, everything hit perfectly that so everybody should get their sc and span, teak a cold shower, scrub

injuries down, 40% president. get rid of those memories. >> don't engage, don't engage. stop. point taken. >> i don't want to hear another word from donny. >> do you want to break? >> yes. >> spic and span and brillo pads are all right for me? >> i want you to stop talking, that's all. >> can we just stop there for one second? does he not -- what's with the beard? >> this is mumford and sons. >> it's sort of a mix of boogie nights and eric falwell jr. >> you can't say the words eric

falwell jr. anymore -- >> it what i don't understand is it will be like 99 degrees and they'll be playing baseball atlanta and these kids will have beards down to here. they'll be like burle ives. >> it does not look good on nn. >> it looks pretty good on. >> civil war. >> that's strong. >> mika? >> wait a minute, as we go to brac the "morning joe" book club continues. >> oh! yeah. >> hold on one second.

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joining us now, the axios, allen. good morning. >> good morning and happy mother's day friday. >> thanks so much. you're writing about donald trump jr.'s end game. there as some report that donald trump jr. may ignore the subpoena. is that true? >> i think that's true. don jr. has no intention of showing up for congress, we're told. we're told his team believes that would be suicide, it would provoke so many more bob mueller

we're told that taking the fifth in writing is a possibility. they haven't ruled that out. and a third option for the bearded don jr., which is the most likely, is some kind of compromise probably where he agrees to answer written questions. >> so i don't understand, i'm confused. why would he plead the fifth amendment because the trump people all during the campaign and during the convention said only guilty people plead the fifth amendment. >> well, as you know, this group is a stickler for consistency. >> oh, my god. >> so so surprising but we saw earlier all the republicans coming out for don jr. don jr. team has run an op here. they said we have a battle plan and we want to send a message to

other lawmakers, if you come for don jr. alluded to, six republican coming out and -- a comment that mcconnell made in a luncheon that made him a little lonely yesterday. republicans loudly taking up for don jr. >> out here in the real world if you egg more a subpoena potentially with don jr.? >> well, an p had a, there is in the basement a vault and that's going to be the dilemma here is what can congress actually do? and this is the huge gamble the trump trags is teak and they're

willing to risk a supreme court fight to just say no to all these requests, demands, subpoenas, requirements. >> mike allen, on a happy friday. happen ho day still with us we have national affairs analyst for mbc news and msnbc, and the host saturday night poll tex on nbc -- i'm still getting my head around the use the pa teen a of the saturday night, it's a little bit more fun. >> is that a dip, by the way? >> that's rough. >> there's a lot working there. but i'm kind of a saturday night guy. that's kind of where it's at.

>> it's better than the alternative where. >> well, i don't know. >> chuck todd still does not talk to me because remember i used toies the snrnl remember the guy on ed sullivan, i got him on. >> all right, saturday night politics. >> that's even beyond me. have i no idea what he's asking about. >> snp -- >> got jim cramer talking politics. >> why don't you do milton burl jokes? >> welfare reform i have to say this, i do like the show. >> coming from you, other than my mother, my harsh eest peter

baker, professor of history at tulane and an msnbc contributor, kimberly atkins, she was covering red sox to the white house yesterday. i didn't like it opini opinionliverpool football, that is baseball. everybody who talked to beat writers say these player have been able to sort through this in their individual choices and they're handling this okay in the locker room, which i believe because alex coria in an incredible manager. that shid said in between twon

and i don't understand for the life of me why one white guy couldn't have stayed back and if alex cora wanted to ask somebody else to go, i don't and i don't understand how they allowed that to happen and how that's not going to impact the team moving toward. >> yeah, look this is a microcosm of ma pa nab and to be fair, dustin pedroia was not there. i don't know why. he did not give a reason why he did not go. i don't know if it was in solidarity with players who weren't going or if it because he's tending to himself injury. but it was a very clear le

racially divided scene. and in the past -- i remember he when he sort of thrives on this. so to be there and to be surrounded by the mostly white players of the boston red sox didn't seem to be a problem for him at all. and i think that worsened that optic. i this that you're right, joe, that the organization tried to give the players the latitude they needed to make the decision that was best for them, but at the same time, after the ceremony, tom warner, the chairman of the red sox said that he didn't see this as racial division and i just think that that's really -- >> that's crazy. >> i don't see how he could say

that, how he could not see that. >> i usually am the one you guys make fun of for not knowing enough about sports. i've been watching you coach baseball. i know enough about what it is to be a member of a team. if one member of the team or two or three, why would anybody on that team go? isn't it all about unity? >> the flip side is it the guys who did get g, look, if it's a ch chan. >> i don't think that applies. the reasons why these players didn't go are so much more important than getting a free trip to the white house. come on! stick with your team. >> this is it why there are some difficult parts of this. willie, i'm not going to tell a 23-year-old kid from texas that may never go to the chance to go to white house guantanamo bay

you've got who is going to tell a 21-year-old kid who gets his one chance to go to the white house, no, you can't go. this is on a level that we can't even imagine but, man, it's about the unit. it's about the team. it like i don't care if you're the i even teach it with young kid. you say one thing bad about your teammate, you're going to hear from me and then you're going to sit on the bench. we're a family. we're a unit. i don't know how this happened.

ot altuve. he went for the astros. he didn't want to go. there's not one white guy on that team that said you know what, hey, hey tom, john, can you get me the white house like three or four months from now, maybe i'll get a tour? i'm going to stay back with the guys who are uncomfortable. come on, this is the most racist president certainly in our life time. you can talk about charlottesville, can you talk about what he said about hispanics, what he said about puerto ricans. he's called hispanic breeders. also, there's a player on the team i've always loved. when asked why he was going, he said i was born in america, i'm going to die in america, i'm going to live in america my entire life. guess what? big pap irk, weren't born in america from a i said i went in

the locker room, here is why i'm not going. i don't think think this government or this prz has done the right this evening by puerto rico. that's why i'm not going. so i don't think he went in and said because i'm not going, you can't go either. i think he presented the case and said you have to work. >> a team separate anywhere is not good. >> kimberly, that's what we all

been hearing it certainly decision, b are it was left to be a personal decision to each of these players, but it's also very complicated. let's say, for example, all the teams said some of the players are uncomfortable going, then maybe can will. that would have. and the president didn't even mention it during the ceremony. i was sure he was going to say something about puerto rico, but he didn't. and in that sense it kept the red sox out of the center of this as much as they could be. it already -- they're already in the center just by what

happened. but this could have been worse and i think that is one thing that i think the players considered. >> and walter isaacson, the guy who should have been manager of the year who was just absolutely extraordinary last year, alex cora, and he was extraordinary because he had such a bond with his mayors. he also made every call right down the stretch. but alex cora not on is from puerto rico, that's been his issue. he's used the success of the red sox to raise money for the preekian people and to bring relief too -- i'm know health struggle about that, i don't know if you were but which is

once given divide us even more on racial lines and, it's the opposite of a what a president is supposed to do for or society. those are supposed to be the healingon it's hp it the postway this couldit's a bigger thing than just a red sox. reseg dpating and people are do if what if you're an hispanic player for the red sox and donald trump has called all hispanics breeders and has attacked mexicans and has

called -- >> i think we can agree on this. pt and in where some of has to players come from be s sharr hotsville, that's an if you who will to the and miling with the pmtd where an individual person refused to come to ut white house, but we've never seen anything like this when rue to and if and why the now it's

become a poll it can moment. it's almost inevitable. it hard to oo until. the white house was discussing the invipation and having them all out there and the whole team didn't go. there was apparently no question in the team's mind they were going to go to white house. >> you're talking about a 23-year-old wheat player who might have his first chance to go to the white house and up got let him have first. attorney, who love to go to the white house but just.

>> hold on, hold on. >> you got to stick with the key. >> mika, that's easy for somebody who is playing in the white house at 9 years old. for a lot of people, this is their one chance. i can tell you the guy from the red neck riviera, the first time i walked in the white house, who knows so. on think i'm hopeful that someone look and and said look why is i'd really like to go tos would is that okay with you guys? >> no. >> 40% president, these things

add up. you feel that if. these are a group of like guy when it comes to that, that's not what this country wants. i believe these hundreds and hundreds of on be lots up where form vice president jo. bernie sanders is at 1818% to willie' willie's,(especially national polls or butte oo contests o

most of the people who are going to be budding the nobody, if are in it looks look snochl i think more importantly for the long run, south carolina, where a lot plaque. in they like joe biden and they want to vote for him. >> i was surprised last night fb there (as everybody sad last night, who p it's nice to know

there's somebody who who can be more of a healer. and his flaws tend to had beens strns. somebody said he made a gaffe i think look it's also good that it's not like last time and. nm and there p eight have prom and he emerges. so i think is if snbl.

>> what is the energy? what's the vibe around joe biden? ? are there other candidates aside from best in a ult ultima challengers in that part of the country? >> i think all of the candidates have been so it is an important place in roonlon is that not on there. n and elizabeth warren who are not only well-none commodities to new hampshire, they areand at the aim siem with the california prime rip moved up, that are it

that perhaps is will oo to say we don't know if new hampshire hold same way and is a sfrb so at this particular moment. it with fwh what are you looking at? >> sure. sfm f a better o roarke. that you will hoosen sfchlt who

might not want biden or who might be open to other democratic candidates will have an opportunity to see them. biden hasn't run good campaigns in the past but it's very soft, very early. talk to us again in two or three monies with i. >> will you've spent time with jill bite i don't know, the piet nofb -- just how normal she seems compared to the current occupants of the white house. there you do not get the sense talking to her that she spent

eight years in wam as and you think of it this way and it kind remarkable. the baum's left and a will the of the they had ten ma and receipt now fwn everything they've been through and a, number one, you tonight see that in jel at all if. and, secondly, after all they've been through, they want to go back. they want to go back and stayf instead looking at atbe if you

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it's an attempt to humor. >>. >> it's contemptible. >> this is a whole new low. >> here's my punch line. i committed perjury. i lied to congress! i don't really get that. but i don't get barr. >> i don't get barr. . really i don't get republicans circling congress and he thinks it funny. >> and you wouldn't say anything. had joining us a member of the senate judiciary committee and democratic candidate, senator amy clob sharr. these are times like we've never

sen before, look at the attorney general there woke about being held in contempt. you'd think about when he said that job is different. no, he's different. he's the one that's different in how he's handling this yoob. because you think it was the law is king and he has shown a complete disrespect for the law in therms of not my favorite one was i asked him if mueller had reviewed the tax returns and the financial documents for the president, and he said, well, i don't know. i said you don't know? you're the attorney general. and he said, well, go and ask so let talk about nugs al pa others

believe we're in constitutional crisis. the executive branch is showing contempt i think both legally and just as a matter of fact towards the legislative branch. um, how does the legislative branch, how do the judiciary committees in the house and senate, how does the oversight committee in the house get the white house to let you all do what the constitution provides you're supposed to do? >> we have thold them accountable. it will end up in court. as has been pointed out, they're the ones that are pushing us to this constitutional crisis. we have equal branches of government. we have the right to issues these subpoenas. and when they don't show up for the subpoenas, then they're violating the law. >> and you can can take them to court. they can be held in contempt but it was five years before eric holder and the obama

administration had to respond. how does this get expedited so congress can move more quickly and get the information that americans need? because five years from now, it does us no good. >> when you look at it, democrats control the house. you can fine people if they don't show up. the house has control, the power of the purse over this administration. so they do have some control and then we have the power of the people. the people showed in the last election they wanted to have a check and balance on this president, that they didn't want him doing unlawful tings, that they want someone in the white house who can tell the truth and obey the law. i think there's leverage we can push to get them to obey the law. the bottom line is this isn't a joke. this is about our constitution and our democracy. >> a couple of days ago the majority leader mcmick california the attorney general

has said i gave you the 0 how are you viewing the outcome of the mueller report? do you believe there's more to know about it or do you accept the top line conclusion in volume one that even bob mueller himself said there was no conspiracy between the campaign and the russian government? >> this is why we need to hear from bob mueller. they didn't use tanks or missiles but they used the compute and rahal flm and hacked into one candidate's campaign. it was 2020. this and people know we're supposed to have this say in our democracy, not a foreign government. that's why this is way beyond what's going on, the fights in congress about subpoenas. this is also about why can't we

protect our election with backup paper ballots there? and all that money and although reese but report is what showed us the depth of what happened, that they actually tried it hack into every state's election equipment, that they actually went in with propaganda and they hacked into a candidate's basic equipment and got all the emails out of their campaign. they're going to try too do it again. that's why you and have i to ask mitch mcconnell and the country should be asking him is why is he stops these bipartisan measures going forward? >> so the ultimate may nk. >> you're running. how -- the fact that at the moment the three top candidates on both side, republican and

democrat are three white guys in their 70 and yet there are four win running on the crack the way women are breaking through and the way we'd like them to. >> the three women are usually in the top eight candidates, three of us. we may not be at the top but that's pretty significant when you look at the entire field of 20-some people. i also think that this is just the beginning. a peanut farmer from georgia at this point had something look i'm from stats that in pb then you have to show hugh you're going to pay for them. i'm out there talking about that. we have an operation that's grow and growing. the fact that the guys are up front, the guys were better known from the beginning and i

always say may the best rom within. >> and you've got a plan and you're making it a prim rye focus. for me health care is about everything from bringing premiums down to paying for pharmaceuticals. but this mental health addiction issue is personal. my dad when i was growing up had two dwis. when i was in ms jail or strach and in his words, he was pursued by grace. that meant his faith and and he's in assisted living and he told me a few months ago it's hard to get a drink around here anyway. but his a&m kwoup right to be

pursued by grace. when you look at what's happening with mental health especially, we went from state mental health issues to community based but the money and the bed didn't follow. and we have a but also just people that we have seen the veterans' suicide rate now is three times the average of others in the country. the way you get at it is counselors in the schools, you get at it with people that people can go to. people say to me, i just don't know railroad railroad got addicted to opioids when she was sick and then turned fichl and

right before she died, she said to her mom, "mama, is isn't my fault. . mama, i just got and $100 billion we can bring in divided between two sent tax on the opioids, a mill i fwrn and you have give of that they can get beyond it. talk about pursued by grace, that's an skrord story. i was talking to can i had to

roo mind my kids, i said there was a time that he was such a joke because of, you know, his addiction and, you know, hollywood, it was just like considered him a joke and he was burned out and he was on drugs and he was an alcoholic and all of these things and it is -- i mean, it's amazing how he's turned his life around and how that does happen. there is hope all over the re as the support points out, it cut. i want to ask you about the state of minnesota, which went for hillary clinton but just by a whis consider arewhat do so

the aboutthey thought, well, we need some change now and he's going o have o nrp they have seen pro from the trade deficit is at $891 billion, the biggest one we've seen in history. so while i hope he gets back to the negotiating table and get things done, they are struggling and we're talking about people in my rural state who voted for him and voted for me. they are people that may not agree with everything you say but they want to make sure you've got their back. and right now they are

questioning that in a big, big way. >> as of eight hours ago, the taf so they do blame him for chaos. and that is bring them together and be look this is who if pb the des moines register poles about what specifics are you giving them in terms of your policy and the fuss about whether you support the new green deal, has that muddied the waters because there are a lot of other proposals out there that people should be focused

on? >> no, they're focused on the pab she moo in and had horse plaster in the walls and now it flooded from a riff that's two and a half mile away, in inwhere they know that climate chang isn't happening in a had been can frmt the bridging back the clean power rules, doing something on gas mileage and ard fmt so i think that the votes are are seeing that this is a

major snchl. i was lucky enough to golf with a guy who is is a very conservative republican, probably never voted for a democrat in his life and one. four people golfing said something about climate change and started to work and i'm a risk management guy hmm pao it. . you look at the positions in the last decade and you'd be a fool

snm for his insurance company tells him climate change is not only real, it getting worse by the year. >> and people seep it in their home insurance rate that saed to ged this nm that's across the station. >> so willie and i were talking to you as you were come on. . and preaching to the choir, we have a lot rrch rochester to a sprooz harr and i love that

somebody from minnesota went on fobs news and took your message to viewers who can be persuaded. those of us in our little bubbles go organization, no, conservatives and liberals, please explain it me how you voted for barack obama in '0le and donald trump in 2016. there are persuadables who watch fox news. >> exactly. it was like being a vikings fan on limbo field. but i it it because thousand and that is going not just where it's comfortable but when there's just no other way can you govern. when you look at the president, i'm going to preek dwro tonight. look at what he did when he was in florida.

whether there are north dakota moots, we come fogt. that's we do. and this president has chosen not to take that rug. i'm telling youso you don't want to talk about the twins who twice won the series. >> no, you can't step on my line. >> oh, okay. i thought i wassin stant go

ahead. >> oh, my god. >> willie, we only talk about baseball teams in two cities, but if we were to break that hard-and-fast rule, we'd have to talk about the minnesota twins right now, the second best record in baseball. . they are on fire. and the senator's right, a pretty storied history there. >> they are hot right now. one of the best teams in baseball. i had the pleasure, senator, of taking my son to spring training and guess what -- mahay, fans, make it the hall of. >> up next. thank you.

the co-author of my new book daniela pierre-braf oaf share in "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ ♪

this is big. >> it's so exciting. it really is. >> top ten book. >> millennial women are entering the u.s. job market at the fastest rate seen in almost 19 years. the portion of young women graduating with higher education degrees is up five points to almost 43% according to the census and women between the ages of 25 and 34 are responsible for 86% of growth among prime working age women and 46% of growth in the prime

age labor pool. but despite this, many young women find it hard to start and grow their careers. there's a lot of conflicting messages. in. >>ing -- joining us now, daniela bravo and she has an incredible story, joe. we embarked on this journey together really inspired by her and she had worked for us for two years before this came to be. >> as you have said, an extraordinary story from a dreamer to producer to a best selling author. >> so i'll start it off. so you were working for us as a script runner. >> and i noticed you were efficient about your job i really did. >> what was her nickname? aderol. and i asked her her story and she told me the -- >> do you know the story?

>> i know the outlines of it. >> she four siblings, undocumented immigrant, not a lot of money and she wanted to break out and give back and do something so she applied for jobs in new york city and this is the part i have to say because daniela,but she lied and said she lived in new york city. why? because she was worried where she lived would deter them from giving her the job interview and she got one call and they said, can you be here tomorrow? and she thought, how do i get there? but absolutely. and take it from there. how did you get there? >> so i ended up getting an on 18-hour bus ride because at the time i didn't have status. so i couldn't drive or get on a plane so i ended up getting on an 18-hour bus ride, nine stops through the night. got to port authority and cleaned up and made it for the interview in time. got to new york city, we know this is an expensive city to live in and i had four jobs.

i worked for diddy unpaid internship. >> by the way, how cool, we just heard that story, but somebody with an organization tweeted out their congratulations for you being a best selling author. that's incredible. >> and dsm is a contributor in our book and she's a fearless leader. i walked dogs during my lunch break, i was a club promotor and i worked at a bar. i did anything that i could to be able to get that opportunity because it was unpaid. >> that opportunity was just the beginning because then she becomes a page at nbc. two years later she's telling me this story and she's like i want to create access bah i didn't have access and i thought, that's great. you want to create access? i first everybody to meet you and to tell this story and give young women advice for the first

phase of that are lives because it is about being scrappy. starting over one, two, three times, it's the first, the second and the third job that are really important and as you know, the data shows that young women start off with pay that is less to their male counter parts and they never catch up so this book that we put together with all the research really helps women start off strong. sfa and katty, you've written about the confidence code. you talk to young women about that all the time. this is an extraordinary story and it looks like somebody had confidence. >> somebody clearly had confidence but you had to work really hard to get it. all of those jobs you were doing just to pay the rent, it's almost more than anybody should have to do. you should not have to be working five jobs, right, in order to pay your rent but you do and you started out like that. so many women enter the work force and the surveys show they get into the work force and they're so full of confidence and they get into the work force

and they' very few women at the top and they don't have role models and they look up and say wow, i'm never going to make it. maybe if you're in a position where you have to be scrappy, you have to take a 19-hour bus ride, that makes you realize i went through those challenges, got on that bus from ohio, i got the job with p. diddy, that should inspire confidence if nothing else does. >> you are such an example. i ran an agency for 30 years most run by women and i watched even the the most successful women had trouble pounding the table, i want a raise, when i see you and your peers i start changing that and finally, getting to the point where you know your value, being able to say i'm worth it, the same intense of entitlement that men have. i see it in you and i feel it in you and it's amazing. >> i have to be honest, i didn't

know the details of the story. i knew the broad outlines but it all makes total sense now. she's so good at her job. she has been since the day she got here and when you hear all the stereo types about millennials being lazy playing call of duty, meet daniela and by the way, meet all the people who work on our staff, meet all the people in this building who wake up at midnight and come in and hustle. so my question is, given your journey, there are young women out there watching this right now thinking okay, maybe i can do it. what do you say to them? what's your advice? >> yeah, keep fighting and make sure if those opportunities aren't immediately available to you, if you don't see people that reflect your background or you don't have a road map, make those opportunities for yourself and be creative. you know, i was in a marginalized community. i felt like i didn't belong. i lived in the shadows for most of my life. when you come from a

marginalized community, you internalize those feelings of angst but i was able to turn it into something positive for myself for sort of a sense of i can do this and taking all of the noes and actually seeing all the possible yeses that can come from them. >> and to be undocumented immigrant in lima, ohio and ultimately a dreamer and now no the moment, this is by the way, the american dream. and in this book we got so much for young women that will walk them through from getting your foot in door, negotiating job interview skills, building your professional brand, we did it together and it's going to help so many other women. great end to an incredible story. >> congratulations. >> all right. the book is "earn it." you can get a copy at know your value.com. and still ahead, in the 2016 primaries bernie sanders swept new hampshire as an underdog.

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>> give us a figure that we might ponder here. >> you'll never get it out of me, david. donald trump is here. you're on the cover of the new issue of people magazine. i don't know why you're being so goofy about this. it says on the cover you're a billionaire. >> it does say that? if it says it i would have to believe it. >> it was the go-go 80s but the direction was going down. that's the "new york times" take. and that's not an accomplishment. that's like bad. welcome back to mrch. it's friday, may 10th along with joe, willie and me we have national affairs analyst jon heilema heilemann.

ka ka katty kay, the host of saturday night politics. again, the name, saturday night politics. >> not since "saturday night live requested hnight live" has a show been so dominant. >> i mean, we could -- anyhow, at 12:01 this morning, the tariff rate on $200 billion worth of chinese goods was raised from 10% to 25%. >> wow. >> china's commerce ministry says it will retaliate with quote, necessary counter measures without elaborating. >> katty, what's the impact? >> the impact on american consumers, they're already

seeing $100 an item raise if you want to buy a dishwasher it's more expensive because of these tariffs so add the fact that we've gone from $100 billion worth of goods the $250 billion worth of goods and every time there's a hike in tariff you see a tax on the things that are imported from china. the president yesterday said it's the chinese that are paying for these tariffs, it's largely not the case. it's the american farmers because the chinese retaliate with taxes on american farming product products and then the government pays them money in order to keep them happy. >> this is the equivalent of owning the libs, like steven miller owns the libs by buying like $100 worth of sushi and then having the owner say something negative to him and him throwing away the sushi in front of them before he ate the $100 sushi. it's sort of shooting yourself in the foot.

as steven miller thought he was -- he's giving them $100, they insult hill and then they throw it away to own the libs. well, he's out $100. they don't care. >> the main thing about that is it's no good for anybody. no good for anybody. nobody's winning in that story. >> but here you have people that are going to be cheering in the audiences in the next rally going yeah, we're tough. usa. >> as everything they buy in walmart, everything they buy in target, everything they buy everywhere goes up. own the chinese yeah, that's awesome. it's not hurting the chinese. it's hurting you, the consumer. >> there would be a grand irony if the one thing that trump has had going -- really has going for him, heading into re-election now as we all acknowledge, a strong economy. he inherited in large part from barack obama. if he manages to -- all he has

to do is talk about the economy and not mess it up if by doing the things that he's talked about so long getting in a trade war with china, he manages to screw up the one strong card in his hand. >> there are a lot of critics of donald trump who do agree that america had to get tougher on china and that their practices were massive ily disadvantaging not just american companies but european companies as well. is it going to produce the kinds of results he wants or does it get the chinese walk away from the table which is what we've seen. >> there's a problem there to be dealt with. this is not a consensus on how to handle it. >> including his own economic advisors don't believe tariffs are a good idea. this is the power of donald trump's personalty and them caving to what he wants. >> republicans used to be against tariffs, some still are so it's interesting but the biggest problem is, mika, that

your father knew this better than anybody. when you deal with the chinese you can't be a day trader. i mean, it took -- yes, we always tell the funny story about you know, the dinner at your house with opening of china, but that took years. it took going over there and coming back and it was never perfect. then your dad had to go and it took a long time you can't day trade against the chinese. they think in terms of decades, in terms of centuries, donald trump literally thinks in terms of minutes. >> bernie sanders won the 2016 new hampshire primary with 60% of the vote but a new poll shows former vice president joe biden doubles sanders' support in his neighboring state. biden takes 36% to sanders to 18% with pete buttgieg back at 9

presidentth president and elizabeth warren at 10%. klobuchar and beto o'rourke in a three way tie for sixth place with 2%. what do you think of those numbers. >> so leave that up for just a minute and think about if you're somebody other than joe biden or bernie sanders at this point. buttgieg has that first, he's up with the contenders in the second tier, but joe biden isn't just winning this idea of a national referendum. you look inside these polls, new hampshire 18 points. iowa 20 points. south carolina, massive leads for joe biden. we'll stipulate again, long way to go before primaries, but boy, what an impressive launch. >> yeah, the driving force beyond anything, i won't be a close second or third is who can beat trump. there's so much discussion of left brain issues on the kitchen table which are real but what's

going to trump everything is how do we get this guy out of office. as far as your question, some of the lower folks, they're up against some of the media self-fulfilling prophesy. you get three and four and five times the amount of media which becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. so they need i think what cory booker did this week, staking ground on gunds, they need to find something -- even if it's not the end issue that's going to get them elected but if joe biden does not trip over himself i think he also has the trump benefit of people wanted trump so badly they were willing to let things slide off of him so all the people that people are going to stick to joe, the old credit card stuff, anita hill, i think a lot of people will let the left brain side stuff go and kind of dismiss it because they want it so bad. >> you've covered these things really closely. you look at all of these

candidates. if you're sitziting there 20 points ahead. you've got a field of 2022, are you really going to be the one at 4% who decides you're going to go out in a flame of glory attacking joe biden? no, i mean, it's basically bernie -- bernie can do it i guess, but it seems to me that joe biden. we've said it before, we'll say it again. joe biden's biggest challenge is joe biden. if he stays on script, if he continues to do the sort of things he does. he's been doing over the past couple week, it's going and yeah, it's early. we'll say it. it's going to be difficult to catch a guy with a 20-point lead. he's got to give the rest of the field help. >> look, i don't mean to be like the contrary to the table. i think biden's idea is obviously the case and if he performs well and doesn't make mistakes and everything stays as now.

in 2008 barack obama was behind in every poll by more than this later in the race. she was ahead by 30 points around labor day, so one of the issues is that for a lot of these candidates there's eight who are above 1%. for a lot of those candidates most democratic voters do not know who they have. they have not been next to each other on a stage. bernie sanders and joe biden is who everyone knows. itis not surprising they would be this far ahead and there's no doubt that people look at biden and say that's a guy who can take on trump but i think they have not evaluated the others on that same metric. if that's the only thing they care about and certainly can you envision the person standing next to donald trump. they've not seen pete buttgieg, they've not seen beto o'rourke on a debate stage.

they're going to be up there but that was the case in 2008 too. that was a big field. barack obama is a different character. all i'm just going to say, there's no doubt joe biden is the clear front runner and in that respect it is his race to lose. on the other hand, there are a lot of debates and a lot of miles. it's not just the throw away line. most of these candidates are not known by these democrats they couldn't tell you anything about amy klobuchar and they're going to learn a lot about her in the next nine months. >> we live in a different age than we did years ago when jimmy carter could go start knocking on doors. oh, i didn't know who this guy was. i really like him. how many million people saw amy klobuchar during the kavanaugh hearings? how many people saw cory booker? how many people know who elizabeth warren is? we live in a different age. kamala harris, if you're voting in a democratic primary, chances are really good you have seen

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new details about what's being described as an unusual meeting between some of president trump's top intelligence diplomatic and military advisors convene by the

national security advisor john bolton. according to 6 current u.s. officials that bolton gathered cia director, acting defense secretary, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, secretary of state mike pompeo and director of national intelligence dan coats for a 7:00 a.m. meeting last week at cia headquartersments those are officials say national security meetings typically are held in the white house situation room and that it is extremely rare for white house officials to athe meets at cia headquarters. let's bring in carol lee. okay. fill in the blanks on this if you would. why was this so significant and what exactly were they talking about over at cia headquarters. >> well, we know that it was significant because this is just not how these meetings are typically held. usually they happen as you mention in the situation room in the white house. it's a secure meeting room, they

can review all sorts of very classified and highly sensitive materials there. so it raised some eye yous becau -- eyebrows and this happened on april 29th early in the morning. and it was led by national security advisor john bolton and i think that you can't sort of underestimate why him overseeing this meeting has gotten people's attention because obviously he is ad hoc and he has advocated regime change in iran so they wouldn't say exactly what was discussed in this meeting. we were told it did not have anything to do with the intelligence that led to a couple days later the decision to move a carrier into the persian gulf because of intelligence that iran was perhaps going to -- had told its proxies in the region that it could attack military members who were in the region, but there were two sort of reasons why some former officials told

us this might happen and sometimes when the cia wants to brief on a covert operation they'll do it on their home turf. and that could mean, you know, an operation that's already taken place or an operation that they're looking for some new sort of authorization for. so that's one -- one reason and then the other reason is, there could be some disagreement on intelligence and this is where it gets a little tricky is you know, former vice president dick cheney used to go to cia headquarters to challenge analysts on the intelligence and sometimes if there's disagreement on intelligence you could have a meeting there. >> so when a source calls you on something like this generally or typically or sometimes it means they have concerns about the meeting. was there concern about what was discussed inside that meeting? in other words, that something was afoot with iran from the united states? >> yeah, i think there's more concern -- the concerns are more about you know, what's the path here? what's the end game? is this sort of another step

towards national security advisor by a national security advisor who wants to go to war with iran, what does it mean? and so there were a number of questions people had. it wasn't negsly cessarily -- obviously iran is a threat and wants to create mischief and has its eyes on americans but there's the flip side of that is that there's growing concern that this is a white house that's on a march to some sort of military confrontation with iran and that has a whole host of other problems and this could be another piece of whatever case they might want to make to that end. >> so one of the people in that room was acting defense secretary. you have some more reporting for us this morning about patrick shanahan although he will be nominated by president trump to be the defense secretary, not president trump's first choice and maybe a round of golf with lindsey graham changed that. >> yeah, you know, president

trump deliberated for so long on this that he wound up -- some of shanahan's critics including lindsey graham wound up coming around and said nominate somebody. this has been empty for so long. you have the chairman of the armed services committee in the senate saying you can't have an acting title and accomplish anything in this job. you have to pick somebody and the president had gone back and forth on this and really was unsure about it in part because he felt like shanahan doesn't sort of, you know, act the part of defense secretary. he doesn't have a very strong presence, you know, in person and perhaps more importantly for president trump on television and so he was really unsure but also maybe didn't want to pull hem out because he was already there and so he -- this has been weeks and finally he decided to go with it yesterday. >> all right. thank you very much. coming up on "morning joe," congressional democrats say the country is in a constitutional

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reverend al sharpton and an msnbc contributor. karine jean pierre. and where have you been? >> i've been writing a book. >> about me? who are you writing a book about? >> it's going to be about the republican party and its slow march toward donald trump and whatever come next. >> so this is like "gone with the wind." i hope you wait for the final scene where there's no tara to return home to. >> i think it's more like "lost." >> i don't know what to think. >> if it's a book about the republican party there's no really -- it wouldn't really be about you anymore. >> no. >> there was a time. once upon a time such a book would have included a chapter about joe scarborough covering the '94 period.

>> i can remember when. so let's talk about more important things right now, reverend al. so joe biden has gone ahead in a lot of polls. we showed a new hampshire show and iowa and new hampshire are so important but when it comes to the democratic primary i don't really look at polls unless it's south carolina because that is where you have an electorate that looks like the democratic electorate that will pick the nominee for the party. he's doing well there. >> he's doing very well. i was in south carolina over the weekend and on the ground people are saying they like biden, they want to see who can beat donald trump. that's the overprevailing sentiment is hearing from people on the ground, black and white. i think kamala harris has got a lot of support there. but i think if biden does well in iowa and new hampshire and can sweep south carolina, he has

real traction and the only opponent that he has to worry about is joe biden. he cannot say something or do something that would get in the way of where he's going. and i think that it's going to be very interesting what happens in the debate. >> so can you explain something to those of us in the bubble? the "new york times" did a good service for democrats but for all people interested in politics when they wrote a story talking about how the blue check marks, the sort of bubble that elites live in is separated from the democratic party, the main stream democratic party. as you know, black voters have predominantly voted for democrats for a very long time, but they are conservative in many respects with a small c. i think a lot of elite white opinion shapers on social media and the media don't understand that. >> no, i think they have no clue. the fact of the matter is, you

know, my parents were republican until kennedy when i was a kid. >> right. >> blacks voted their interests, but on basic values, very conservative, and very right of center on some issues. many of them -- >> a lot of people shocked in 2008 when black voters in california voted against the same sex marriage initiative. the same day that barack obama got elected president. >> i caught a lot of backlash when i came up with same sex marriages in 2003. i have administrators say i can't come preach in their church. i think that they missed that. we talk in the beltway or we talk on both coasts and don't talk to people in the middle and being that i didn't know we had chapters there, i talked to real people and real people are saying i may want to see this in terms of race and unfairness but i'm not with this and i think

that the mistake that a lot of right wingers are making and progressives are making is only talking to themselves in an elite atmosphere and they're not talking to the people and they're going to be surprised when the people vote. >> so noah, help me out here. i don't know if you know it, but i've got a show and i talk about politics for three hours a day and i see things like the rule of law as being extraordinary important. i see things whether it's bill clinton committing perjury or i believe william barr committing perjury it's very important to me. russian interference in the national elections. very important to me. the intel agencies all say it. the mueller report very important to me. but i understand and we just had a poll, can you guys show the poll, that when you talk to democratic voters who have questions in iowa, russia, mueller, none of that shows up on their top ten lists. now, does that mean we should stop talking about it?

how do you sort through that? because i know you've been very outspoken too about the importance of the rule of law and some mistakes republicans have made. are we talking to ourselves? >> we are talking to ourselves but it's an important conversation. it's up to us to talk about the value of rule of law and have a retrospective look on 2018. it doesn't affect your pocketbook so most voters aren't going to care about that. they are not. >> reporter: -- very side logical. joe biden is tapping into that in a sense in a very effective way because his campaign while he's put some rhetorical deference, his campaign is restorative. it's not about change, he's not buying into these progressive policies like free college, medicare for all, jobs guarantee, universal basic income. he's come out against some of

these things. >> like nancy pelosi, by the way. >> again, when we were talking about twitter which skews to the left and skews progressive and is a little bit more socially activist and progressive activist, joe biden is appealing to what i think is a broader base within the democratic party and the per sepg hception has a the field to perceive them to be the animating force in the democratic party. when the primaries roll on and joe biden demonstrates some strength, i think he'll have some strength, it's going to be a crisis of confidence within the swing of the party. >> so tell me, how do progressive activists balance the need to move the agenda forward and make sure you don't have democrat getting elected that's going to give us eight years of robert ruben economics? which is totally fine for

republicans and conservatives, but would not be fine with -- with activists who do energize the democratic party. how do you balance that with the need of giving somebody in office that can stop what donald trump has put into place over the past three years? >> so a couple of things, joe. reverend al actually said this which is what voters care about. right sf they care about their self-interest they care about what are you going to do for me? how are you going to change my life? how are you going to make my life better? and i think that's really key in all of this. it's like what is the big idea, what are the ideas these candidates are going to have to move the country forward? that's how you're going to connect with these voters and i think that's really key and important here, because while we are talking about the rule of law and the constitution and how we're in a crisis because i think we truly are, i agree with nancy pelosi and there's an importance of talking about that and the reason i'll say that is because in 2016 what did we find

out that happened in 2016? we found out that a foreign government interfered in our elections and the confidence of voters matter in that. we should get to the bottom of that because it's not just a constitutional crisis, it's a national security crisis so it is important to have that conversation so that we give confidence back to the voters when they go in 2020, but when it comes to the issue, when it comes to how do we move voters, we have to, we must talk about what is important to them and you see that in polls after polls after polls and that's how we win in 2020. >> that issue is still health care. and jeremy peters, i find myself like yoga bara feeling like it's deja vu all over again. the 1990s when i was on the oversight committee we were uncertain about bill clinton selling missile technology to

china, transferring it to china because one of his top campaign donors actually wanted that done. he committed perjury in front of the grand jury, all of these -- we had investigations going nonstop and a lot of them were very legitimate investigations, a lot of people in the clinton administration would come up and lie to congress every day and laugh about it while they were doing it. i've been saying that for years. now find myself in the same position where i'm looking at the attorney general of the united states doing that and i want him investigated. i think he should be removed from office, but i remember the more we republicans investigated bill clinton, the higher his numbers went and the more exhausted the american people were. by the end, nobody was listening to us. they were just listening to bill clinton. >> yeah. that's exactly right. and i totally understand the importance many democrats feel to pursue these investigations as a way of holding the president and his cabinet and his former campaign officials to

account. the problem is those are the same types of arguments that republicans were making as you point out in the 90s about bill clinton. this idea that you need to cleanse the republic, for the good of the institution and the health of the country and the constitution. you have to go through this process. i think the risk though is that americans get tired of that very quickly. the good news for democrats is they also get very tired of donald trump. it's like which television show do they want to turn off first. and in the case of donald trump, because he is so omnipresent because he's always in your face, on your television, in your twitter feed if that's where you're looking and it's hard not to think about him and that's what some republicans are concerned about. it's something i hear from voters. i was out on a reporting trip earlier this week and people are bringing up that "washington

post" story about donald trump's 10,000 lives so there is a certain level of trump fatigue here that has set in. how palpable that will be come 2020 i don't know, but it's a real balancing act, you know, how aggressive these democrats go, because when democrats try to act like republicans they don't usually end upcoming out very well. >> there is an exhaustion factor and of course i always think all things go back to johnny carson who knew well how to play well in the times. he was likable and that's why people let him come into their homes for 20 years, but you know, bill clinton is fascinating, people forget all the things that went on. remember fowler saying it was like a subway? you just put tokens in, go in and give your money and on president's day he had all these people that were from out of the country giving him money. today is today in america that we call president's day. people were going crazy and

nobody cared. >> it's totally true. i want to go back to the top of the conversation and ask you, reverend, because we had klobuchar out here and you guys started talking about african american voters in south carolina. one of the things that was true and you ran for president and you know how this is true, there's, you know, the interesting thing about joe biden is if you look at that african american support you dig into these polls. you've got the older african americans who are -- he's got a large lead with and the younger you get the more they are open to other candidates. and one of the things we've seen in the pars is the fact that they're looking for people who can win and so like with obama where clinton had the african american vote until obama won iowa and he was able to win south carolina. talk about that about what -- how these candidates what they need to do over the course of the next nine months before the voting starts to make themselves seem plausible with the most important voting block.

>> i think you hit the key. they need to show they can win. they need to show that this is not a symbolic candidacy. i think the biggest challenge for this election for african american candidates, we have two, kamala harris, cory booker, both very, very impressive, both prepared, is we're in a post obama generation. so when i talk to young blacks, you can't just tell them we want a black president. we've done that. now we need the right black president and why you are a winning candidate. and i think that the media has not caught up on there's no novelty anymore to you being black running for president. the novelty is if you represent a train of thought and can connect with the interests of people intergenerational that will be served but the jackie robinson of american politics in the white house has happened already. now who's going to be willie maes and hank aaron?

who can win the game, not just who can get in the game. >> yeah, any baseball analogy, i love that. >> you preach to the choir. i know that you understand that. >> i do. and you named my biggest sports hero ever. hank aaron. hank aaron actually while he was chasing babe ruth, i'd always write as a kid to these all stars and they'd, you know, have a stamped response, hank aaron wrote back in the middle of this chase, dear joey, thank you so much for being a fan. best wishes, hank aaron. all class. >> wow. >> hank aaron smoking cigarettes in the on deck circle. i never saw that. >> when does your book come out? >> we're looking early 2020, just in time for the chaos. >> come back next week. we'd love to have you.

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so willie, i'm thinking back, we've had, let's see, barack obama on the show of course. my all time favorite billy graham. that was a huge day for me. but there are all these gets that -- >> tom hanks. >> my gosh, doesn't get any bigger than that. you've got to get -- and i'm not -- i don't know how you did it. >> a "morning joe" exclusive. >> actually, no, it started yesterday. >> an nbc exclusive. it's my dad. >> it is a friday morning at 8:44 exclusive.

>> that's it. >> never before at 8:44 on this friday morning. >> my dad bill geist who a lot of you know from cbs sunday morning and as a columnist "new york times" is out with a new book. it's called "lakes of the ozarks." he went to work at the lodge in missouri and how that shaped the guy you've seen on tv all these years. >> in the summer of 1950 my father arrived at lake of the ozarks ready to indulge in the pleasures of a mid western vacation paradise. >> and what do you remember about your first time seeing the lake? >> my friend and i thought it was going to be like speedboats and girls in bikinis and being a life guard, whatever, wild. and i got down there and they gave us a couple of shovels and

some boots and pointed ustion out to the open air septic system. >> that cess pool was known affectionately as the chili pond. >> did you have protective -- >> no, they didn't have protective anything back then. >> you put like a bandana over your face? >> no, that was considered unmanly. >> for seven summers my dad was an employee of his larger than life uncle ed, an army colonel in world war ii who gave the orders around the lodge. >> he was born to be a big shot. he barked more than he talked. he'd bark orders and drink scotch when he got up from his nap. he drank a lot of scotch. the intimidation was a big thing although whenever they fired somebody they just wouldn't leave so it wasn't real effective. >> he probably forgot he fired them anyway. >> yeah. >> it felt like a million mile

from my dad's comparatively sleepy existence back home in champagne, illinois. >> what was it like driving around lake of the ozarks riding shotgun in his big car with him? >> he had two cadillacs a year, convertible in the summer so you feel like you're in a dream. big tires, you're floating so smoothly. i thought it was funny how people must get around in heaven. >> my dad was promoted to bellhop and occasionally was forced into kitchen duty. >> on some nights the chef, we'd go out by the pool and we'd notice he was laid out by the pool. >> had too many? >> he had a lot to drink every day and some days he couldn't make it back to the kitchen. we knew when we saw that we were going to have to do some cooking. >> did you have any experience prior? >> no, they said when the night was over we made it but we didn't have any repeat

customers. >> my dad has told the stories of america's strangest characters. an appreciation he first gained at the lake. >> we hadn't been to disney world or any of these places. we saw a five legged deer with nothing to sneeze at and it was -- you know, lots of these places leading up that gave me the strong sense you are not in nantucket. >> larry was a souvenir king. his dream was to give rare ozarks seal doers. >> i didn't realize there were seals. >> i didn't either. he said get youngsters and brown suits. >> the monkeys on bicycles was a big attraction. >> they drove cars. >> all these stories are hilarious but even for me as your son, getting to the end of it i went oh, that's where this

all started for him. that's where he fell in love with weird guys and created your sense of humor, but also gave you your career. >> something that lasted my whole life. i can't -- i don't know if that's good or bad. >> it's good. work out pretty well. >> worked out pretty well. >> congrats, dad. love ya. >> love you too. >> that's the first time you two have ever told each other that you love each other. >> let's do it on national television. >> you hear your dad's story and you realize where it all began. he had a quiet life in illinois where his sense of humor and people didn't get it or he wasn't appreciated and he walked through this door into the lake of the ozarks and it led him to meet his wife and his job and his career, and it all began at this place of the ozarks and i think it's great because everybody has some version of lake of the ozarks, where was that place where it all began for you?

i'm so proud of my dad. he's had park inson's disease for almost 30 years. this is a book he's been wanting to write for about 40 years. it's wonderful and i'm glad it's out in the world finally. >> the world is and i'm so glad it's out in the world. >> it's in the top ten. doing extremely well. >> it's a fun read and a breezy read and a good summer book. >> and you've got keanu reeves on sunday. up next, president trump tweeted this morning there's no need to rush on a trade deal with china. that appears to be rattling wall street. we're going to be live to the new york stock exchange. we're back in one minute. stock. we're back in one minute rried at my information getting out. why's that? [bird speaking] my social is 8- 7- 5 dash okay, i see. [bird laughing] somebody thinks it's hilarious. free social security alerts from discover.

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how are the markets reacting to the trade development going on. >> not great. the stock market has been done every day this week. we're a few percentage points lower than we were this time last year. that's because the whole trade war took a turn for the worst. tariffs have increased from 10% to 25% on $200 billion worth of goods. american consumers you can expect to pay more in the coming months, furniture, lighting products, auto marks, vacuum cleaners and the threat is there could be more coming. there's another 300 or so billion dollars worth of product that we buy from china. if things continue to go sour, we could see higher tariff rates on that. now, we are seeing about a 100 point drop at the open here. the reason it's not so extreme is there is still hope on wall street that the talks are going on. the chinese vice premier is still in washington. he was meeting with lighthizer, the trade ambassador, mnuchin,

the treasury secretary last night. the talks continue today but president trump in a tweet storm this morning did say there's no rush. well, wall street would like a deal sooner rather than later, and that's very apparent by the n negative action we have seen in stocks. not a great time for uber to go public. more than 75 billion, one of the biggest ipos in u.s. history. >> sarah eisen, thank you so much. what are your thoughts on the trade war, obviously a lot of american workers have wanted this for some time, wanted american politicians to take a tougher stance on trade with china. there are a lot of middle class americans that are going to be hurt by roising tariffs and rising costs. >> what we're seeing is donald trump doesn't have a policy. he has a twitter deck and that is how he is deciding how he's moving forward and it's incredibly dangerous and hurting the very people who put him into

office and consumers are going to be paying for this. it's not going to be china paying for the tariffs. it's going to be consumers who are paying for this, and the products are going to cost them more. and it's just another example of how he is just not ready to lead. >> all right. let's bring in right now assistant clinical professor el university school of medicine dr. erik phrasefrasier "the psyy of top talent", so great to see you, doctor, we have -- earlier we had a dreamer on who's now a best selling author. her story proved she had grit. how do you identify that? >> it's clearly illustrated in the book. this personifying the core psychological competent cies of leadership, professional development, and grit, a commitment to long-term goals

and there you have it in print. >> i always say with presidential candidates, the past is always prologue, isn't that what you want to look at, look at the candidate's past before hiring them to see, how hard are they going to be working in the future. how successful are they going to be working in the future. how smart are they going to be working in the future? >> psychology we're looking at patterns of leadership, and patterns of personality traits and behaviors and factors that contribute to specific outcomes, so when you look at patterns and find out there's deliberate practices behind them that show these leadership qualities, top talent qualities that personify professional development, and that's what you want to look for in any candidate a government candidate, else candidate, business candidate, millennial workers are asking for this, asking for training, leadership development, professional development, that's featured in harvard business review. all kinds of articles across the board on a daily basis, looking for these patterns.

>> i was going to pass it around to the rest of the table, i have to ask you about mindful nks because you talk about mind -- mindfulness, because you talk about mindfulness allot. mika is on her phone a lot practicing mindfulness. whether you want to call it meditation, mindfulness, praying, it's unplugging from your phone, from life. how important is that in figuring out who you are before you figure out, you know, who, you know, how you interact with other people on your team. >> absolutely. so, you know, mindfulness is a research based evidence informed form of relaxation, of gaining control over the physiological system of the body. but in essence, you know, we're all getting a little rusty at being people with the technology and getting unplugged like you were saying, joe, this is important to build attention, and attention allows us to focus on the people in front of us, to connect in a more authentic way, and in that authenticity, we learn about ourselves because

we're becoming better listeners, we're being more attentive to conversation and dialogue in a way that exemplifies reciprocity. mindfulness, 5 minutes a day. you can practice this, and you don't need to do it all day long. >> i love what you just said. reciprocity, it's an important word. it's not all about us. >> how important is mentorship and role models in identifying lead leader. >> mentorship, role model, coaching, you were talking about millennial women, there's an article written probably every hour about this generational cohort asking their company leadership for professional development, for the mentoring, for the coaching for personalized learning and these are the concepts that are going to carry through in the next generational cohort where they're demanding it. if they're not going to get it, they're going to walk. salary matters less.

mattering matters more to that generation of millennials. >> more along those lines, we talk a lot about the internal conditions, focussing inward, what are the environmental conditions really that foster this top talent. >> there are certain companies that highlight and feature this. if you think about patagonia as a company, wrote the book back in 2005, let my people go surfing, the keyword in the book title, people, organizations are going to create the exogenous environment that's going to promote and enhance professional development on core psychological competencies. >> my question to you is that your book gives pretty good action items on how to improve yourself and your team, and the question is how do you take the insights that you give in your book into a classroom per se, like for teachers and how do they uplift their students and make them kind of reach their potential? >> great question. one of the chapters in my book

focuses on growth mindset, right, and what we really are speaking to with growth mindset is this notion of continuous learning. having a passion for learning. having a sense of curiosity. so building lifelong learners in a classroom and teaching environments for teachers themselves and the students they work with, really instilling that inner curiosity to go and discover and learn and maybe depart from some of the core curriculum standards outside of that and enhance the learning experience. >> all right. dr. erik frasier, thank you so much for coming, i have been a big fan for a long time. the psychological of top talent, we greatly appreciate it. dr. eric frasier, that does it for us this morning, except we want to get wisdom, final wisdom for the week from john. the new vampire album is incredible. i can't believe you haven't listened to it. it's incredible. back after three years. i know you loved the band. this record is amazing. they are the talking heads of

the new era, i believe. it's an incredible record. >> and also, we're doing some book business here today, really. you have got to write your "lake of the ozarks" version of the god father of soul, james brown. >> the marvin gay story, that was another one. >> you have to get them out there. >> i will do so. >> that does it for us this morning. ste stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. we have a lot to get to this morning and our team of extraordinary reporters will join me with the stories you must know about today. starting with republicans now turning on their own senator, richard burr who's facing criticism f criticism from members of his party for issuing a subpoena to donald trump, jr. >> my son is a good person. my son testified for hoursnd